Karina Sinclair: Welcome to the Landscape Ontario Podcast. I’m your host, Karina Sinclair. Today we’re taking you behind the scenes of something pretty exciting here at Landscape Ontario, the new training facility and the thinking that shaped the landscape around it. My guest is Haig Seferian, principal landscape architect at Seferian Design Group, and the designer behind the landscape updates for this new space.
In this episode, we take a sneak peek at some of the interior design elements before stepping outside to explore the new exterior features from how the site functions as a learning environment to how it reflects the values of our industry. If you’re curious about how Landscape Ontario is taking strides to build a world-class training facility and how it can support you in your career in the green trades, you are going to enjoy this conversation.
I’d also like to point out that this project is funded in part by the government of Ontario. The government of Ontario and its agencies are in no way bound by any recommendations contained in this episode.
If you’re listening to the audio version of this podcast, you might like to check out the video version on YouTube to see the visuals Haig shares of the landscape plans.
Okay, let’s dive in.
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Karina Sinclair: I am so delighted to welcome you to the show, Haig. This is so exciting. I know that you are super busy creating all of your award-winning designs and international projects. But here you are today on the Landscape Ontario Podcast to talk about the new design of the Landscape Ontario training facility, which is underway right now.
It’s still in the beginning stages. A lot of demolition has happened, but you are the key designer on the landscape around the facility, and you’re also part of the committee that’s been informing what the inside of the training facility is going to look like. So welcome to the show and let’s talk more about your involvement with this project.
Haig Seferian: Thank you so much, Karina. It’s a pleasure to be here. I look forward to this segment because we’re gonna provide a lot of information to your viewership and I would tell everyone who’s watching and listening to you that your reach goes far beyond this one episode, and they should look into the rest of the series that you’ve put together. Very, very well done.
Karina Sinclair: Thanks so much. We had an interview with Joe Salemi a couple of months ago about the project getting started and the impetus behind it, and here we are a little further down the road in the stages of progress. A project like this doesn’t just happen. It takes a lot of planning, a lot of input from the industry.
What was it like to be part of the committee to decide what the interior of the training facility was going to look like and how to make sure it would be relevant and useful for the people in the industry?
Haig Seferian: Yeah I can honestly say it looks much simpler than it actually is. It may seem this has just kind of appeared, but this has been underway for decades. We’ve gone through a number of different master plans before we finally reached this one here today. A lot of time and effort has gone into this.
I’m more of a spokesperson really for the industry at this point. The liaison between, you know, the industry and the consultants working on the project. You know, we’re listening to our members, listening to the descriptions of what we need in order to grow and become this kind of world class facility, which is our ultimate goal.
And we’re well on our way to get there, but it was taking all of the information that we’ve gathered. Yesterday we just had our AGM, it was our 53rd year, hard to believe it’s been that long. But taking 53 years and I’ll say plus because there were many years prior to that too. Taking all that information. All those goals and dreams and now trying to encapsulate that into one overall master plan for interior and exterior and for us, for Landscape Ontario. What it involved was sadly to say goodbye to the greenhouses that have been there right from the very beginning, but were in dire need of repair.
Saying goodbye to the coverall that we’ve used for storage. And building a well needed facility with labs where we can train more people. We’re looking at constructing, it’s about 24,000 square feet of additional building.
It’s a state-of-the-art training facility in Milton. You know it, when we say world class, like people look to Milton right now and what we’re doing. It’s designed to basically upskill the industry professionals. For our existing members, it’s there to attract new clients, foster innovation and synergy between members.
It’s under construction. We’re set to open next year, 2027. And it will be a central hub for hands-on, off-season education. We’re gonna focus on sustainability and of course, industry excellence. So I set a mouthful there, but there’s a lot going on inside and outside.
And I’ll add to that Karina, we did take into consideration the desires of all of our LO sector groups, and I am gonna mention them because each one is equally as important. Garden centre, grounds management, growers, hardscape, lighting, irrigation, contractors, designers, snow and ice, and turf management as well. All of these groups were consulted in order to get to this final design that we’re at right now.
And I call it a final design, but, obviously it’s still fluid. Things are changing. We’re dealing with different ministries. We’re dealing with different approval agencies. It’s amazing. We can probably build this entire project in less time than it takes to design it and get approvals.
Karina Sinclair: Isn’t that always the way? But the better you know, the better you plan, the better you plan, the better the execution. So it’s really great that you’ve consulted with all those different sectors, and I’m glad you’ve mentioned them because they all play an important role within the green trades. What are some of the examples of elements within the building that you and the committee said, “we need to have this because the sector needs it?”
Haig Seferian: So if we start from the inside, certainly these larger lab areas, the two-story high training areas, very important. Everything will take place there specifically in the winter months for sure. The need for extra classrooms, labs, computers, facilities. We’ve got a recording studio that we’re putting in there as well.
There’s a gym and change rooms for. I mean, people are there for a long time. And they’re, when you’re working in dust and dirt, we need those facilities as well. So it truly is an extension of the current edition that we have, which is five years old now. Five plus years old. So we’re extending beyond that. We’ll look at some images shortly as well. So you know, your viewership can actually see what this is going to look like. But the idea is, and this was the idea, I go back, I, we did the original master plan, oh my gosh, I think it was 25 plus years ago.
I remember LO had a design competition back then, and yeah, like there, there were a number of different consultants who threw their hats in the ring. But even back then, the goal was to create a world class facility. LO is already recognized internationally for the work that they do and certainly in Canada.
So this is to extend that. Some of the key elements that we’re trying to include in this centre, right? Certainly there’s the educational excellence. Providing educational programs for the community, for our membership predominantly, and when I say our membership, it’s in the winter months, but it is something that will go year round.
We will be encouraging the public to come. We will be encouraging schools to bring students. The younger we can gain the attention of children on what horticulture is and how important it is, try to explain climate change to them and the value of it right now. They can then grasp it.
And, you know, we will probably get a lot more members going down the road. Certainly we’re gonna be looking at conservancy and sustainability. In the exterior design, we’re addressing biodiversity. We’re looking at endangered species and maintaining sustainable horticultural practices and teaching people this as well.
It’s wonderful that we know it, but the word needs to get out so that everyone appreciates it. Throughout the inside and exterior of the building, we’re going to be exemplifying phenomenal design. I’ll say architectural and landscape architectural. We’ll be displaying that so people can see.
And of course we’ll be involving community engagement. This venue that we’re creating is certainly for the membership. But it’s for the community as well. So many people will be able to use it which I think is important because it’ll involve more than just the horticulture industry.
Karina Sinclair: Well, and given its location in Milton, it’s right close to the 401 highway, which is the main thoroughfare from Toronto to the Waterloo area, the technology corridor. So it’s well placed in central to a lot of the different chapter groups within Landscape Ontario. It’s easy to get to, and I think it’s really great that this is going to have a space to engage the community outside of the industry because we’re all in this position of encouraging this love and respect for the environment, and when you care about something, you do more to protect it.
Haig Seferian: Oh, absolutely. You know, some of the projects we’ve worked on in the past, they work best, I’m talking about community projects, when you engage the community, you work with them, not for them, right? You educate them as to the importance of what we’re doing, and of course, follow up maintenance as well. It only looks as good if people take care of it.
And I know we’ve succeeded when the community takes ownership of that property, whether it’s a small park, a large park, but they actually get angry when they see people you’ve created a real gem, and that’s part of our goal here, where everyone will take care of this site.
Karina Sinclair: It sounds like such an exciting place to be and we’re going to get to them soon, but some of the images I’ve seen of the outside look very peaceful and serene. But before we show those, I just wanna bring up a couple of images from the inside and you can tell us a little bit more about those.
Haig Seferian: Sure. So this is one of the two labs, the work areas that are covered. And see they’re two stories high. So the intent is that we can get equipment, dump trucks in and outta here as well. So even in the winter months when we’re doing training the students that are there, or the employees from companies that are there advancing their skills, still get that experience that it’s an exterior installation, even though it’s being done inside.
So you’ve got these two very large facilities that’ll help facilitate that.
Karina Sinclair: You can fit a good amount of people in that space too, while still allowing for safe practices around equipment, around that moving machinery, vehicles coming in.
Haig Seferian: Part of what happens when we’re in the planning stages for this, Karina, is trying to not only figure out what our current needs are, but what our future needs will be. Hence, you see some very big spaces and that’s why, because we anticipate people coming in to take courses and workshops in a much larger degree once the facility is there.
Karina Sinclair: That’s exciting to be able to accommodate those future dreams. And in this image that we see here, we’ve got some hardscapes, some cement work, some paver laying, operation education opportunities, people learning maybe how to maintain their skid steers and all those different range of skills needed.
And we also have this other space and this one.
Haig Seferian: Yeah, you can see yeah, you can see ’em climbing up there. There’s all the sector groups that I mentioned, and certainly in this one here we’re looking at some arboriculture training. Yeah, there’ll be a lot of training going on year round in these areas. Certainly all the sector groups that I mentioned.
But just a quick review. We’re gonna see stone masons cutting and chipping and building. We’re going to see arboriculture being taught. How to handle small equipment, large equipment. We’re going to see planting techniques taking place. Irrigation, lighting will be taught here as well.
So it’s not only lectures that they’ll have upstairs in the labs, but then they’ll have hands-on experience in these facilities.
Karina Sinclair: So much potential. And there’s one other that I thought was kind of an interesting spot. Here’s a view of what the interior vestibule might look like and what great light, but tell me what’s happening in the background there.
Haig Seferian: So this entrance is just to the immediate right or north of our current entrance. It was a bit of a tricky connection. This is where the new construction, the new building, meets the current building. So it took a little bit of finagling to figure out.
I mean, I assume we’ve all been to the current building. As soon as you walk in, you’ve got that green wall that greets you as soon as you come through the vestibule. Just to the right of that, we will be extending and connecting to the new building. We’ll be extending that green wall into the space to make it a seamless transition from one to the other so that it looks like it is one building versus two separate buildings.
Karina Sinclair: Yeah, that’s gonna have such an impact, not only on the mood when you walk in, but the air quality as well. And you know, just to have that immediate impact that this is the place for people who work in the green trades.
Haig Seferian: And look at the glazing there. Like, I mean, there’s gonna be so much light coming into the building. And we see this throughout the building as well. It’ll be wonderful for the people working there and for the people coming in, visiting for an hour, a day, a week, a workshop, whatever it is.
Karina Sinclair: You mentioned earlier that there would be a gym and change rooms, so I guess for people coming in, working in some of those dusty classes, working with sand or wood chips and all kinds of things to be actually able to clean up before they leave. That’s something we don’t currently have in our facility, so that’s a nice feature.
Haig Seferian: And that’s one aspect of it. And the other aspect is just personal health as well. Wellbeing. Creating an area where people can take a mental break and go do a little workout, and then, either shower, change, go back to work, what have you. Again, the idea is that we’re trying to think forward on what the needs will be in the coming years and accommodating for it.
Karina Sinclair: All right, so that was a little taste of the inside, but now let’s talk about the outside. This is your realm, the landscape design for the exterior of the building. I would love to know more about what kinds of challenges you had when looking at this property, what you had to overcome, and how are you going to make it better for the future?
Haig Seferian: So there were numerous iterations that this design has gone through. And many walls that were placed in front of us that we had to work around and come up with solutions for. Yeah, I’ve got some images that I’ll share in a moment, but I think it’s worth just chatting quickly about what the exterior entails as well.
Because as the interior is meant to be a world class facility, so is the exterior. Remember it’s not only for our membership, but it’s for the public as well. We want everyone coming to the site to learn about who we are, what we do, and also how they can help with uh, the more they learn about nature.
Certainly in terms of plantings, we’re looking at creating new habitats, maintaining existing habitats. There’s certain species we’re trying to use all native species for the most part throughout, and we wanna explain that to people that come, why is that important? We’re gonna see in a moment.
What kind of came on late in the design process was the introduction of a storm water pond in the front where the current trial gardens are. That wasn’t initially part of the plan, and so it became part of the design. But, we’re looking now at how to do that. Treat site water and runoff, how to deal with aquatics, lowland, upland plantings, meadow plantings as well.
It’s going to be an area where we look at doing case studies. A lot of our suppliers do these lunch and learns and educational segments with our membership, right, to explain what their products are. This is going to be a great opportunity for them to utilize their products within the landscape, maintain it, watch it over years, and show why this product is important.
A good example of that is perhaps using soil cells below the ground. We often see trees in boulevards that just do not do well, right? Because you can imagine what’s underneath. It’s not soil, right? It’s all gravel and usually utilities and walls and concrete. So you know, the utilization of something like soil cells exponentially helps the tree grow. So we’ll be incorporating these types of ideas as well.
In terms of hardscapes, anyone who has been to the site certainly knows, oh my God, all that gravel we have, and the dust it creates, right?
So finally, we’re gonna have proper roadways, proper parking stalls. There’ll be some asphalt, of course, around the Ring Road. But we’ll be incorporating different types of paving. Precast paving, permeable paving where we’re going to be catching that water and directing it back to the storm pond.
Part of what we’ve done on the roof is to allow for a future green roof, blue roof where we’re capturing water, utilizing it. It’s been designed to hold future solar panels as well. There’s a lot of engineering that goes into these three things that I just mentioned.
Although budget may not permit to install them immediately, what it’s allowing us for is the structure for future installation, which is great. Talked a little about the planting but certainly creating habitat for pollinators, endangered species, local wildlife. All of these things have been taken into consideration.
Irrigation throughout the property, which is wonderful. It makes the water very efficient for the property. We will be utilizing the storm water for part of this facility as well. So I know I’ve just given you a mouthful here. Maybe we should look at some pictures.
Karina Sinclair: I know when I started hearing about this project and heard that the stormwater catchment pond that we already had on the property didn’t actually belong to Landscape Ontario. It belongs to a neighbouring business. It’s on the backside of their property. And then that meant having to rejig this pond trying to figure out where it was going to go to serve LO.
Haig Seferian: Yeah, so for years. We’ve been utilizing that facility. But you’re right. It does belong to the neighbour next door. It involved, yes, spending a little more money, and what I’m gonna show you, it’s now actually creating a wonderful feature for LO out front, between LO building and the 401. I think we’re looking at half a million cars a day going back and forth there. So what an opportunity to showcase what we do.
So I thought it would be worthy of actually showing a winter scene, which is what we’re experiencing right now.
But there’s our existing building, the top of it you can see where the addition is going to be with the higher roof line and in the foreground, the beginnings of that storm water pond. So I’ll walk through some of these, but here is an axo of the entire site. So this is our goal, Karina.
This is what we’re looking at doing. We’ve got the existing building, the proposed structure that we’re looking at putting in. We’re looking at formalizing the parking, and you can see to the left where the trial gardens are currently, which will disappear shortly. That’s the storm water pond, and that, that’s this spring that’s gonna go in the ground. That’s one of the first things that has to happen.
So we can see we’re utilizing pretty much every square footage that we can. In the foreground of this shot you’ll see some landscape that’s all existing. Sadly that is all floodplain. We can’t do a whole lot there. We can do some boardwalk work and education of the importance of floodplain and that’ll come down the road, but the focus is really on the site central and the roads surrounding it.
Karina Sinclair: So you are talking about that section behind the Ginkgo building where there were some pollinator trials and…
Haig Seferian: We’ve got the school there and basically the area just behind the school to the bottom of the screen, all that is floodplain area and actually part of this parking lot is in floodplain as well.
But there’s what people will see from the 401 and the entrance. On the background along the left, we’re looking at doing a mass planting there where that storm water pond is that we’re just discussing and the warehousing and behind it. We’re trying to screen that off.
And looking back the other way, you can see the entrance into the property and you get a bigger picture of that storm water pond. There is a walkway that will go around it. We’ll have some seating throughout the plantings as well, which I think will be very nice. And then you can see in the back horizon where the current school is and the parking lot that’ll get formalized.
Karina Sinclair: This is a big space.
Haig Seferian: It is! It used to be much bigger before we sold off part of the property to help facilitate the construction of what we have now. But yeah, it is a big site. There’s a lot of work to be done. This is a good image where we can see the existing building and the new building that’s going to come in.
And you can see right here the main entrance. We’ve got a small green roof that we’ll look at putting in, but as I said, the new addition is designed to house water, plants, solar, et cetera.
Karina Sinclair: So a great learning opportunity for the future as we add those things in.
Haig Seferian: Absolutely. And there’s a view from north to south with the 401 in the far background. You can see how the parking is formalized now. The planting islands that you see, will be looking at doing bioswales in there. The parking stalls themselves, we’re currently looking at doing as permeable to capture rainwater.
Karina Sinclair: And so the roadway part will be quite classic asphalt, and then.
Haig Seferian: And that’s really a budgetary thing. It’d be wonderful to do it in some type of a stone, but it is one large area and we’re still gonna have heavy equipment driving around. We’ll have a ring road going around the entire property. Of course we’ll be introducing exterior lighting, irrigation as well.
And here’s our existing entrance upscale to what it will become with some seating, bike racks, the whole front entrance. And you can see that connection to the new building. And that one image that you were showing is right here, that glass entrance. We’re actually formalizing our accessibility parking areas. They’re just whoever gets there first right now.
There’s another view of it.
Karina Sinclair: What an improvement. Anyone who’s walked across that muddy parking lot. Appreciate not having to drag all that mud into the offices again.
Haig Seferian: Mud when it’s wet, dust when it’s dry. Yeah, absolutely. And keep in mind we’ve used the term already, world class facility. Does this not scream that phrase?
Karina Sinclair: Oh, and the signage. Oh, look at this. What a wonderful space.
Haig Seferian: We’ll have a little seating area that’s got a partial cover on top that’ll create some wonderful shadow lines, architectural lines down below.
And down at the north end, there is a gathering area for staff. Our staff is growing. I don’t know how many people we have right now. It’s gotta be like 50, 60 people that are there on any given day, not including meetings and conferences that take place. So it’s nice to have an exterior area that people can go and sit and enjoy as well.
Karina Sinclair: And is that a corolle there in the background?
Haig Seferian: Ah yes. So we’re looking at creating a bit of an architectural feature there. It’s a structure that will have plants growing up, and seating going around it. We’ve got a better shot coming up, but yes, we’re trying to create a bosque of trees to create some natural shade, but then a feature in there as well.
Karina Sinclair: I love those. I saw them in person at Floriade in Amsterdam.
Haig Seferian: Ah, yes.
Karina Sinclair: And they had this flowering vine going up four of them in this courtyard area, and it was just gorgeous.
Haig Seferian: They are spectacular. Yeah. So we can see here the parking stalls and the intent is for it to use some type of permeable paving in those areas to capture water. A bit of an axo to give you a different view. And this view here, you can see all the EV charging stations that’ll be along the back of the building. Again, trying to be forward thinking on where things are going.
And from the north looking down. The foreground in the left this’ll be a future phase, but it’s intended to be a bit of a shelter where heavy equipment, storage of materials can take place, with a bit of a gravel road off the main ring road. So again, trying to utilize every square footage that we have here.
Although we say it’s a big site, 25, 26 acres, it disappears real quick when you start designing.
Karina Sinclair: No, I believe it, but I mean right now it’s pretty much just open turf at the back or it was before demo began. And so to put something that’s useful and creates utility is really smart.
Haig Seferian: Ab, absolutely. And I guess that’s really all the images that we have for now.
Karina Sinclair: Now if we can just circle back to the trial gardens. That has always been one of my favourite parts of the Landscape Ontario facilities. When I joined the organization a couple of years ago, as someone who does a lot of photography, and I shot a lot of videos out there with Rodger Tschanz, the trial garden manager, when I heard that the trial garden as it is, was going, it broke my heart a little bit, and now what’s coming is gorgeous and absolutely beautiful, but does this change anything with the relationship that we had with the University of Guelph and being able to trial plants at our property?
Haig Seferian: So the relationship doesn’t change. It’s as strong as it ever has been, and that will continue as to the location of a new trial gardens it will have to get redesigned, relocated. And that is still in the works right now. As I said earlier, that storm water pond was never in the picture.
It came on late from approval agencies, so there was no other place to put it. It really is like the lowest part of the site as well. Anyway there’s a very large argument of why it has to be in that location, but we respect the relationship we have with Guelph and want that to continue.
So I think you may see some of the trial gardens being worked into the planting area surrounding the stormwater pond. It might be a bit of a hybrid planting that takes place there. But ultimately I think there will be another designated area for that to take place. But for this summer nothing will happen just because it’s going to be all construction, but we’ll work together with them.
Karina Sinclair: Actually, it sounds like there might be potential to trial things in different growing conditions, right? Like alongside the pond, your soil is more damp. You’ve got different sun exposure. And previously we basically had a flat area that had this same sun exposure all day long. So the variety gives more options to put those different plants through their paces.
Haig Seferian: Yeah. Remember what I said earlier, part of the intent of creating this facility is to allow for case studies where we can see what works and what doesn’t work as well. They’re both equally important, so what you say brings up a wonderful point. Yeah. It may not all be in one large area. It may be broken up, but it creates new habitats that we can experiment with to see how plants do, what does well, what doesn’t do as well. It’s all a learning curve.
Karina Sinclair: And there may be people who have a long experience with LO and know that there is a resident snapping turtle who lives on the property. Many of us have seen her walking around. I’m guessing that this could be a really happy spot for her to reside in.
Haig Seferian: I think this, you couldn’t ask for a better habitat for a snapping turtle. Yeah, and I think it’s going to actually increase habitat and wildlife based on the images that you saw. It will invite new, it’ll create new habitat for these individuals and wildlife.
Karina Sinclair: I can’t wait to hear more about how pollinators and birds embrace this new spot and create a positive change within the Milton community as well. Is there anything you’d like to say about what happens next? What might get completed over the summer?
Haig Seferian: The stormwater pond tender is currently out right now. The intent is to have that built as soon as the weather breaks in the spring. That has to be one of the first things to get installed. At which time, we will be ready to release the landscape tender for the entire property.
And by the time building construction comes out of the ground and gets closed in, we’re hoping that landscape construction can begin in the fall. I hesitate to say October, but that would be a really good time to start. My feeling is that it will go into the spring of ‘27. It’s a bit of a domino effect, right?
People in front of you need to get their work done before you can come in. We can’t have too many trades on the site at one time. We’re gonna be digging it up. So 2026 is a year of construction for LO and I suspect the spring of 2027, we’ll be wrapping things up. But, through e-blasts and the communications at Landscape Ontario, the membership will be kept abreast of where we are, what we’re doing.
We want everyone to be involved in some way, shape, or form. And perhaps we can do another one of these podcasts later on in the year. We can give an update on where we are and show some images for those who are unable to come to the site. We can let them know what’s happening. See, I’m inviting myself back to your show.
Karina Sinclair: By all means, you’ve been a delightful guest. I think that again, this will be exciting not just for Ontarians, but other Canadians who are entering the trades or developing their skills within the trades, and they wanna go someplace that has that precision training that’s really laid out in a way that facilitates great learning. Take those skills back to their communities across Canada.
Thank you so much for all of these updates and for that sneak peek of what our own members can expect in the future. It does look really exciting and I wanna encourage people to continue listening to the podcast, continue to look at the Landscape Ontario website and the communications we’re sending out about this project.
If anyone has any questions, what’s the best way for them to ask?
Haig Seferian: Right through LO, the Grounds Committee, I mean, or even if they sent to Info@LandscapeOntario.com it’ll find the right person there. I don’t wanna inundate anyone’s email right now. Just yeah, there are people that will address any concerns. They can call, email, or even the newsletters they get, there’s a thing at the bottom, if you have any questions, right?
We encourage people to, you know, if you’re in the area, bring your hard hat and construction boots, but even if you want to come have a look. The building is still open. We’re still having meetings and workshops going on, albeit on a limited scale, but the site is open to the membership.
And it’s a very, as you said, it’s an exciting time. This is a huge thing for Landscape Ontario and all of its members. For the industry, this is huge. This is unlike anything else that’s out there right now. This will be one of a kind.
Karina Sinclair: But it’s really filling that gap. We can get a lot of these different trade skills in different places. But this is central. This is where all those sectors are served, and you can get a, like a cross pollination of skills. You don’t necessarily have to be niche in one, but you’ll have access to all these different learning opportunities.
And I think this facility is gonna make it possible for all kinds of dreams to come true.
Haig Seferian: I’m very excited. A year from now we’re gonna be holding this conversation or podcast in the building.
Karina Sinclair: Yeah, that new studio is gonna be really useful. I’m sure lots of members will have all kinds of content creation ideas that they’ll be able to realize in that recording space.
So Haig, thank you again for coming onto the podcast today to tell me all about what’s happening and to show those very cool new images.
And I look forward to chatting with you again when construction has progressed.
Haig Seferian: Feelings are very mutual, Karina. Thank you for extending an invite out to do this.
Karina Sinclair: That brings us to the end of today’s episode of the Landscape Ontario Podcast. A big thank you to Haig Seferian for walking us through the vision, details and purpose behind the design of the new training facility. And for reminding us how landscapes can teach, inspire and evolve alongside the people who use them.
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